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ffanshawe

Postby LukeJavan8 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 12:03 pm

I am currently reading a youth novel, actually 3 in the
series, as a review for a fellow teacher. It takes place
in 1880's England. When the protaganist meets folks
it is Mrs. Smith, and Mr. Jones, etc. But there is one
man named Mr. ffanshawe. The name is repeatedly
spelled with two lower case letter F's. This may not
be fodder for this site. But I don't understand why this
is done and wonder if anyone can explain it to me.
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Re: ffanshawe

Postby Perry Lassiter » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:15 pm

Not I. But I did think of the German S sometimes written that way, and also in olde English.
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Re: ffanshawe

Postby William Hupy » Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:52 am

I do not think the German esszet (ß) , or double S ever occurs at the beginning of a word. Maybe with a proper noun?
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Re: ffanshawe

Postby bnjtokyo » Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:30 am

This site
http://www.mindspring.com/~fancher/fanshawe.htm
asserts that "ff" is an earlier way of indicating a capital F:
" The double f in ffanshaw was the way a capital F was written in earlier English and Colonial times"
However, I am not sure the site is authoritative.

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Re: ffanshawe

Postby bnjtokyo » Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:09 am

wikipedia provides addtional support for the use of a double f to indicate a capital F:
A few English names are written with two lowercase "f"s: ffrench, ffoulkes, etc. This originated as a variant script for capital F.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization)

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Re: ffanshawe

Postby LukeJavan8 » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:48 pm

I want to thank you for your research. This week has
found me too busy to read it all, but I am going to do
so and know I'll learn a lot. Thanks. Later.
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Re: ffanshawe

Postby LukeJavan8 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:22 pm

wikipedia provides addtional support for the use of a double f to indicate a capital F:
A few English names are written with two lowercase "f"s: ffrench, ffoulkes, etc. This originated as a variant script for capital F.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization)


This is a most excellent article with a multitude of grammatical
variations to think on. I see the double ff as well as other
language similarities. I just did not really know where to
look and you have saved me tons of time. Not having
grown up, nor used a computer before 2005 I still think
in terms of going to a library and using an encyclopedia
forgetting the world is at my fingertips here, and as simple
an excursion as into Wiki would have saved me tons of
confusion.
THANK YOU so very much for doing my research for me,
and I am extremely grateful.
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Re: ffanshawe

Postby LukeJavan8 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:28 pm

This site
http://www.mindspring.com/~fancher/fanshawe.htm
asserts that "ff" is an earlier way of indicating a capital F:
" The double f in ffanshaw was the way a capital F was written in earlier English and Colonial times"
However, I am not sure the site is authoritative.

This site was excellent. I love the study of names and found
it very timeconsuming and stimulating.
However, I cannot get to the source. Even opening another
window and putting mindspring.com in address or google
or anywhere I cannot get to the source. Obviously the
Fancher and other names are under "F" in the source,
so how do I get to it. Any help would be greatly appreciated
since you were so good as to answer my question and
get me started on further research which I would love to
do.

I am extremely appreciative for your helping me.
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Re: ffanshawe

Postby bnjtokyo » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:31 pm

I don't know much about this site either. My google searches lead me to believe that mindspring dot com is a company that provides IP services to individuals and companies. It merged with a company called earthlinkweb in 1999
http://www.earthlink.net/about/press/pr ... ces?id=475
The companies seem to have their head offices in Atlanta

The information provided on the mindspring page for fancher/fanshawe at the link I previously provided has led me to believe it was written by Paul Buford Fancher. Searching on that name led me to this page
https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fh ... collection
which has a banner at the top suggesting it is related to The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints (aka the Mormon church). This page asserts Mr P. B. Fancher lives in Atlanta, the same location as the mindspring company.

I infer Mr P. B. Fancher is interested in genealogical research in connection with his Mormon faith. I don't know why Mormons are interested in learning about their family histories, but I suspect Mr Fancher is not interested in unrelated families. Therefore there are probably no pages devoted to other surnames.

Sorry I can't offer more information, but, as I said, I don't know about the reliability the mindspring website; it was offered caveat emptor.

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Re: ffanshawe

Postby LukeJavan8 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:55 am

Thank you so much. My search led to similar conclusions
but to advertisements more often than not. I know the
Mormons have just about the largest ancestry search
machine extant. They have a huge facility in Salt Lake City,
Utah, and I understand it is backed up somewhere in case
of something like a nuclear blast. There is a linking facility
here in Omaha. I know the reason for their research, and it
is simply to go back and baptize into the Mormon faith all
their ancestors so they will enjoy the celestial vision along
with them. In their belief this can be done.
I will take some of this stuff further, just because it interests
me so much. I'd go to Mormon sites, but would bankrupt
myself in doing so on their site.

Thank you so much. What you have given me is more than
I expected to find by my quest. I am truly appreciative and
more than grateful. It also just amazes me what computer
can do, and friends with whom you can meet and share.
Thanks so very much.
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Re: ffanshawe

Postby Philip Hudson » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:04 am

Family history is essential to the LDS or Mormon faith. This is not just one's own family history, but everyone's family history. Mormon theology is strongly associated with the hereafter and there is a desire to get as many people into their version of the hereafter as they can. They not only proselyte the living, they also proselyte the dead. The unknown dead cannot be proselyted. Hence, find out about as many dead people as possible. Baptism for the dead and celestial marriages are the primary purposes of Mormon temples. Day and night people are being baptized for the dead and proxy married for eternity in all of the Mormon temples. If you are a woman, when you die you will be married to some worthy Mormon saint in the hereafter. From the Mormon saint's spirit progeny with his celestial wives, physical people can be born into a universe that belongs to that specific Mormon saint.

I am neither advocating nor disrespecting the faith of the LDS. I am just trying to explain some of it. I hope I have gotten it right. I have been studying it for most of my life.
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Re: ffanshawe

Postby bnjtokyo » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:34 am

So polygamy is alive and well in the LDS hereafter?

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Re: ffanshawe

Postby LukeJavan8 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:37 am

Probably polygamy and a whole lot more. I would not want to
even guess.
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Re: ffanshawe

Postby Perry Lassiter » Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:10 pm

As a pastoral counselor for 45 years or more who keeps his mouth shut, I would agree that you do not want to know.
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